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The Holocaust never happened

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post Oct 14 2008, 01:09 PM
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Mea culpa. I did say I was never a sterling scholar in history, and while it does at first glance appear that we have strayed far from the original topic of this thread, I would like to point out that truth and history are never synonymous. History IS what teachers and reporters make of it and what people choose to believe. Like: THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED.

And from Wiki on the Mex-Amer War:
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Although the United States made overtures to the Mexican government to buy Texas, the short-lived régime of Emperor Agustín Iturbide and then his successor, Antonio López de Santa Anna, staunchly opposed selling any territory. Mexico instead intended to colonize its northern provinces with Spanish-speaking settlers.

Texians had become increasingly disillusioned with the Mexican government. Many Mexican soldiers garrisoned in Texas were convicted criminals who had been given the choice of prison or serving in the army in Texas. Many Texians were also unhappy with the location of their state capital, which moved periodically between Saltillo and Monclova, both of which were in southern Coahuila, some 500 miles (800 km) away; they wanted Texas to be a separate state from Coahuila (but not independent from Mexico) and to have its own capital. They believed a closer capital would help to stem corruption and facilitate other matters of government. Some citizens were accustomed to the rights they had in the U.S. that they did not have in Mexico.

Mexico did not protect freedom of religion, instead requiring colonists to pledge their acceptance of Roman Catholicism. Also, there was discontent with the deal Stephen Austin made with the Mexican government whereby farmers and ranchers had to offer their products first to Mexico before other markets. Cotton was in great demand throughout Europe and most settlers wanted to raise cotton for big profits. However, Mexico demanded that the settlers produce corn, grain, and beef and dictated which crops each settler would plant. Unlike the states of the southern United States, where slavery was legal, Mexico had abolished slavery in 1829. The Mexican government made little effort to enforce abolition; however, periodic threats from the Mexican federal government and the state government of Coahuila y Tejas incensed slave-holding Texians.

In 1836, Texas had an estimated population of 38,470, including 5,000 slaves. Texas and other states in Mexico were further incensed in 1836 when General Santa Anna abolished the 1824 constitution, replacing it with one that further centralized power in Mexico City. The new centralist constitution enshrined the Siete Leyes (Seven Laws), which included secular reforms but granted additional powers to the president, such as the power to close Congress and suppress the judiciary. Several states rebelled against the new central government under Santa Anna, including Texas (then a department of the state of Coahuila y Tejas), San Luis Potosí, Querétaro, Durango, Guanajuato, Michoacán, Jalisco and Zacatecas. Coahuila, Nuevo León, and Tamaulipas withdrew from Mexico and established the Republic of the Rio Grande in 1840, which was defeated by Santa Anna that same year. The Republic of Yucatán also withdrew from Mexico later, and declared its neutrality in the Mexican-American War.

The Texas Revolution erupted in 1836, after Texas declared its independence from Mexico. Mexico responded by invading Texas. General Santa Anna won major victories in the battles of the Alamo and Goliad. (Remember the Alalmo is about all I remembered. blush.gif)

On April 21, 1836, the Texans decisively defeated Santa Anna's forces in the Battle of San Jacinto. Santa Anna himself was taken captive by the Texas militia and released after signing the Treaties of Velasco, in which he promised to recognize the sovereignty of the Republic of Texas and the Rio Grande as the boundary between Texas and Mexico. The Mexican government, however, refused to acknowledge these concessions, arguing that Santa Anna was not a representative of Mexico, that he had no authority to negotiate on behalf of Mexico, and that he signed away Texas under duress. The Mexican government never ratified the treaties.


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Please settle the ego down a bit YMG, you're bordering on offensive. I will happily concede your historical knowledge penis is bigger than mine. biggrin.gif
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You know, us Brits don't exactly have a clean track record when it comes to our history, but FFS, at least we're aware of it and don't continually try and pretend our shit doesn't stink or blame everybody else for it.
That was funny coming from you because we Americans think the SAME of the Brits.

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QUOTE (Pinkjellybeans @ Oct 14 2008, 02:09 PM) *
I will happily concede your historical knowledge penis is bigger than mine. biggrin.gif

Girl from here I cain't even see a historical knowledge clit... just a hole like a bucket*






*in your historical knowledge, of course evilgrin.gif
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post Oct 14 2008, 04:23 PM
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Can people please stop talking about genitals... everyone knows I have the biggest penis... they also know I'm the biggest c**t, so let that be the end of it.

QUOTE (Pinkjellybeans @ Oct 14 2008, 02:09 PM) *
YMG, you're bordering on offensive.

How so? Is even an accurate critical appraisal, seen as offensive to the people of the United States,now? dontknow.gif
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A mod note: Interesting that this is, we're getting way off topic here people. Maybe time for a new thread?
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I started the topic and don't mind where it goes (in fact that was the point) I'm finding it all quite interesting but it's up to you....

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Not a problem, just pointing it out really. In terms of getting other people involved, it just means its not clear what's being discussed in the section. It's pretty much up to posters to decide if they want to start a new thread and link to it.
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I think the point is, we're talking about propaganda and revisionism. Nobody wants to think their homeland is the bad guy.
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QUOTE (arrgh @ Oct 14 2008, 09:54 PM) *
Nobody wants to think their homeland is the bad guy.

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