Boycot the Chinese olympic games

I posted this here so that more people would see it, rather than lpp.. It's not really a debate more about awarness. I would however value your comments...


Did you know that China invaded Tibet 50 years ago killing 1.2 million people. (1947) Their reason was to consolidate the once great Mongolian empire from some centuries before. Today 800000 Tibetians are displaced from their homes. Thousands more are being tortured and killed in Chinese prisons. China has deforested 80 percent of Tibet at a profit of 80 billion.(this is having disasterous consequences for the whole region) China is slaughtering large mammels for food and game puting several spieces at risk. China is coersing it citizens to inhabit Tibet to the point where Chinese people almost outnumber the Tibetans. Monasteries, librarys, and religeous items were destroyes in the cultural reveloution of the 70's and 80's. All the regions water reserves come from Tibet and Nepal and China, India the middle east ore experiencing droughts .

Their reasoing now is that they are modernising the poor Tibetan people by building roads, airports, railways, communication.. All of there things they have done, however none of these are an advantage to village communities. They just link the main cities providing easier movment of the military, everything they've done is military based to strengthen their hold on the region.

A recent survey conducted by them to see about less restrictions on Tibetans, including a less harsh regime showed that 80 percent of tibetians were strongly opposed to Chinese rule. They have now decided tighter control is necessary..

If Tibet had oil US Marines would have a flag at the top of Everest.....

This post has been edited by bigbaldybloke: May 20 2008, 04:27 AM

And if you think that's bad, you just wait till China descends on Japan and the rest of Asia. If it is not yet clear, China, or more accurately, the Chinese communist party (as opposed to the Chinese people) means to "dominate" the world, and they are doing a pretty darn great job of it so far. No other nation will have it has badly as Japan however.

Anyway, to get back on topic, I think trying to Boycot the olympics at this point is pretty much a waste of time and effort. This is; however, a great time to create more awareness for the rest of the world about the atrocities being committed all over the world by the communist party. Like most industrialized nations, their actions within their territories and around the world often affect much of the world detrimentally. Whether you're looking at China's bullying of Taiwan, Tibet and other neighboring territories, or their impact on the US through exported poisonous products and foods; much of Africa through fueling military juntas by buying their products etc etc

btw...China would never let the US even smell the borders if Tibet had Oil. Don't forget that China does not view Tibet as a seperate state from itself.

I've always boycotted the Olymipcs - boring TBH.

Never boycott FIFA though!

China, yeah they're tough in their own back yard, but Europe and the US kinda keeps their (Commie) nature at bay.

The vast majority of Chinese are great; the recent Earthquake brought down the "Great Firewall of China" and the Bogsphere went apesh*t with Chinese Bogers posting what they want; which of course is what we all want - FREEDOM! (Still sore about those damn Engers killing Mel Gibson!)

It's those peace loving hindus that I worry about!


{joke post, but think about it}

I wouldn't mind boycotting the Olympics, I really don't like it anyway.

With regards to Tibet being invaded, I really feel sorry for them. But what I don't understand is why China tries to consolidate the long abolished Mongolian Empire, when in fact China was just a part of, and not it's proponents. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it, it was the Mongolians that had made that empire ranging from the Korean peninsula up to the boarders of some European countries, and not the Chinese? Why can't they just focus on their own Chinese territory, and let those who wanted their own independence free? This century isn't about conquest and expansion; that was ages ago.

Boycotts at the Olympics have not helped injustices in the past and will not do anything to change things now.
All it accomplishes is to deny young athletes who have trained their entire life the opportunity to fulfill a dream. If you want more attention brought to China's human rights violations then every athlete who makes it to the podium should give the peace sign as a simple of awareness or raise the Tibetan flag along with the one from their own country.

I don't think it is fair on the athletes, who we have a bit on an implied agreement with because we subsidize and encourage their training.

I think it is entirely reasonable for heads of state to make a statement through their participation in the opening ceremonies and other shows of diplomatic pressure, but co-opting a non-elected athlete into the process is unfair.

This whole notion of athletes being forced into a political stand against say Tibet supposes that we all hold the same view, or ought to. Is it a prerequisite of competing for your country that you endorse every view of the government?

Lets leave swimming to the swimmers and politicking to the politicians.

Pretty funny boycotting the Olympics when pretty much 90% of the shit you buy comes from China. I read an article a while back about a woman in NY(I think) whose whole family boycotted everything made in China for a whole year. It made pretty interesting reading and in fact they quit doing it when they realized how tough it was. I'll try and find the article.

Yeah. There is a reason for that. I suggest you google the Rape of Nanking. Once you learned all the atrocities the Japanese did, then we will talk.

Dominate the world? Give me a break, China got enough internal problems to deal with. We are not as ambitious as some of the American generals.




Lets not forget the time when 8 countries basically invaded Peking, slaughtered millions of Chinese patriots, burned down ancient relics, sold crack to Chinese commoners. So what.. when you guys do it, it is ok but when we invade a territory that used to belong to us you guys all go ape? Cultural revolution is a mistake, get over it.



Consolidate long abolished Mongolian empire.. hahahah. No where close. We don't care about the Mongolian empire. Before Mongol invaded us, we had a pretty big territory. All we are doing right now is trying to a firm hold of territories that used to belong to us. Don't forget, Tibet and Taiwan are part of China, and has been for quite some time.

Boycott the Olympics, why not Boycott the Euro cup? I heard the Austrians once helped Hilter to consolidate power.. Now that's something isnt it?

Just because WE invaded countries doesn't make it right.... And yes the cultural revolution IS a mistake.... How dare you enforce your values on a whole country....Yes Japan committed horrendous act of aggression on China but that doesn't mean China can then do the same unspeakable act on anyone it chooses to......Tibetan people want independence GIVE IT TO THEM.....Stop Raping their country stealing their timber and militarizing THEIR nation....."firm hold of territories that used to belong to us." So you admit they don't belong to you now they USED to....

Edit due to flaming, if you wish to flame I suggest you go elsewhere to do it as it's not welcomed on FS

Also thread moved to LLP, not really suitable for general.
lenny

Up until 1959, Tibet (which was, before then, a self governing province of China) was nothing more than a backward theocratic toilet, where the vast majority of people toiled in slave-like conditions as serfs for the wealthy and exploitative monastic landlords. At the top of the Pile was the Dali Lama.

Prior to 1951, China proper gave Tibet a timetable of expected reforms... reforms that included abolishing the appalling practice of serfdom that the majority of Tibetans toiled under. Opening up the education and health systems for everyone and not just the Lamas, the manorial hierarchy and the very wealthy landlords. Removing the harsh restraints on all women from the Tibetan society and making them equal to men.

China eventually got tired of the procrastination of the Lamas, and moved in to enforce the reforms that had been promised but not delivered.

One of the greatest propaganda coups of the past 50 years has been the Dali Lama's ability to portray his pre 1959 Province as some sort of Shangri-La of monastic peace and enlightenment. In reality, the monastic rule of the Lamas was vice like, and the monastic and manorial elites lived lavish lifestyles whilst the vast majority lived in medieval servitude.

Michael Parenti describes this brilliantly:


If you're going to boycott the Olympics in China, do it for legitimate political reasons, and not because you've fallen for all the hype that's been inflicted on the west by trendy movie-star buddhism looking for a good cause.

Do yourself a favour and read the full Parenti article here

To entice you toward the article more, let me quote from it again. This time a snippet that is quoted from the Washington Post 9 years ago:

good post ymg however just because the new regime MAY provide better working conditions doesn't make it right to enslave a nation irrespective of how it's leaders run it... Should we in Europe invade Burma or anywhere else that doesn't meet our standards and enforce our values... 50 years ago Britons were still living with rationing having just come through a 2nd world war in 3o years.. The 20's saw a great depression in America.The word has moved on since then... Lets look to now what's right for Tibet now... And, I don't think that a military enforced dictatorship is....Imo

I agree with this to some extent however, as thedaddyman said "China would never let the US even smell the borders if Tibet had Oil. Don't forget that China does not view Tibet as a seperate state from itself."

But I think the war mongers currently in office realize that China has us militarily whipped. They have more soldiers right now than the US has people. Which probably explains the reasoning behind the bills being written to allow oil companies to begin exploring for oil in places like the great lakes and further expansion into the Gulf of Mexico.

We are at a time in history where some people need to agree to disagree and try to get along. I live in Chicago, work for a Japanese company, and in 8 years I may have the Olympic games in my back yard. I have been to Russia, worked along side Irish, Mexican, Costa Rican, English, Indian, Canadian, Polish, Lithuanian, and Georgian people. These were all wonderful experiences.

Depending on the circumstances humans have a tendency to work together towards a common goal. If we can put aside our religious and politicl differences we can all make it so that we can drive our cars to work and back without losing our shorts in the process.

Remeber: Nothing changes if nothing changes.

Read the article.... The Chinese didn't enslave the Tibetan population, they liberated the bulk of them from the medieval practice of serfdom (unpaid bonded labour - in effect, slavery).


Let's just put this into perspective... Chinese troops didn't invade Tibet in the way the Dali Lama and his mates would have you believe. Tibet was a self governing province of China, and as such, Chinese troops were already in the province. The Dali Lama's official duties often included the use of ceremonial guards from the Chinese army, much like the bearskin wearing guards outside Buckingham palace.

Try and think of it like The Channel Islands (which are self governing provinces of the UK). Now imagine that the Bailiff in the channel islands (we'll call him Dave Lama) refused education and health care to all women. Also imagine that he forced the majority of the population (male and female) into bonded labour, where they had to work without pay in his factories and farms, and that to leave his property was a crime. Imagine he denied them all and any freedoms, education and access to health care. Imagine that he declared himself and his friends divine rulers with arbitrary powers. Powers that include seizure of property, including women and children, and that these women and children were spirited away never to be seen again, to be used as servants/sex toys or indoctrinated into the church as monks and nuns.

Now imagine that the British governor in the Channel islands told Dave Lama and his mates that unless they stopped being twats, they'd be out on their ear. Imagine that Dave ignored the governor so he sent the authorities around to knock on his door, only to find he'd fled to France... whereupon he started to moan about how Britain was oppressing his people.

Look, I'm not claiming that the Chinese are saints, but the Tibetan aristocracy and theocratic landlords that were deposed and constitute the bulk of the "government in exile," are not even close to being what their spin doctors claim they are or were. For generations beforehand, the Lamas in Tibet were quite happy to be part of China and have Chinese troops and governors on their soil. The barbaric Chinese warlords (such as Chiang Kai-shek) were quite happy to let the Lamas continue their medieval patriarchal feudal system, and the Lamas were quite happy with the arrangement too..... until 1951 when the new socialist Rulers in Beijing told them to free all the serfs, treat men and women equally and start acting like accountable mortals rather than Gods with a divine right to dictate.