compensation cut for rape victum

As the title suggests... Yesterday the decision was overturned and she was awarded the full amount. Should she receive the same award as someone who was sober... Do girls wearing very little and walking the streets hurling abuse deserve the same compensation as someone who has their full faculties and were less likely to put themselves in danger.a source

Why was it this case of Rape that this was an issue. Should comp clams be reduced for people attacked when they were drunk. I haven't be able to find any on a brief search...

I think the gist of the point was, that the criminal injuries board were applying blanket formulas (despite denials) to reduce payouts... for example, if the victim was drunk - whatever the crime - the payout was reduced by a certain percentage.

Obviously, this is going to cause an uproar in rape cases because it may be seen as some form of mitigation for the behaviour of the rapist.

Quite clearly, ALL blanket decisions of this type are intrinsically unfair, and it is more to do with heartless cost cutting and/or laziness by the CICA in properly assessing individual cases, than good management or effective policy.

It now seems that there is a growing queue of people who had their compensation cut (because of blanket formulas) that are now preparing to seek the extra money that was denied them... and rightly so.

This post has been edited by yourmercifulgod: Aug 13 2008, 02:18 PM

Bloody right too!

They're really using a broad stroke of the brush aren't they?! To treat all people who have had a drink as partly guilty for the crime that they fell victim to is fucking outrageous.

wait, i'm confused. Perhaps someone could clarify for me, who exactly pays this money to her? Is it paid by the tax payers? Cuz that would seem a bit ludicrous to me. I wouldn't want my money going to some honey that drank a slipped drink and was subsequently slipped in the pink. Well, not my culture I guess

Or is it the rapist that pays? That doesn't make sense to me either. How, if imprisoned, is he to come up with said moneys?

Furthermore, I'm against monetary compensation for a lot of crimes. How is 20G gonna fix what was done to her? How bout state sponsored therapy instead? I mean, what the hell man, rape gots nothing to do with cash...

And, here is the Canne , and here's the Worms. Well, isn't it somewhat fair to say that her being intoxicated, a choice she made, allowed her to become a victim. She put herself out there, made bad decisions, and got f*cked because of it. (teehee) Well, I was out in the club one day, drunk as a mutha, and some dude is all like, "hey, i'm too drunk to drink this rum, you want it." well, i see some stranger offer me a bubbling rum, I say "uhh, go to hell." so, hey, heads up mugg, if you go around and ignore basic survival, well, tats outta luck for you. Don't deserve a dime. got to watch your back.

now, don't think i'm hearless. fry the rapist, see him in hell. but don't claim "sexual discrimination" cuz they don't wanna pay your drunk ass

Compensation is paid by the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority (CICA) which is a govt funded organisation that pays compensation to victims of violent crime. Compensation ranges from £1000 to £250,000 (US $2000 to $500,000). If additional expenses are incurred by the victim (such as therapy, or adjustments to the home/car etc because of disability caused by the crime) then that is added to the compensation giving a maximum award of £500,000 (US $1,000,000).

The scheme itself is excellent... many victims of violent crime are in no position to sue the culprit through the civil courts, and most would find themselves unable to collect any compensation even if they won (most violent criminals don't take out litigation insurance or have assets worth seizing).

Most European countries have similar schemes... One of the benefits of living in a social society, I guess.

So just because she had too much to drink she deserved to be raped? If so then you must also agree with the other assinine convictions women often face from men as well like.......... She showed her face to me so she deserved to be raped and then set on fire................ or how about ............. Her dress got blown up by the wind and I could see her undergarments so she deserved to be beaten to a bloody pulp........... and even better yet.............. she looked at me so she deserved to have her head chopped off.
All the same thing just different regions of the world.

Men really suck. Who the fuck do they think they are when they believe its ever justified to violate someone physically just because they think "they deserve" it. Or that she deserved what she got because the offending male thought they would teach her a lesson. Fuck all of you that think that way!!! No wonder no one is safe anymore.


I swear it absolutely frightens me to the core to hear this type juvenile mentally retarded rhetoric
I think a mass male extermination is in order no actually necessary with this type of thinking.

Anyone who is a rapist will probably justify it in some way to themselves or anyone who would listen.. All men don't.

I think the point was do girls who have diminished responsibility and make poor choices for their own safety deserve as much comp as someone say in their own home watching TV... Unfortunately rape is an all too common occurrence and girls need to protect themselves from these wankers .

I personally don't think there is any difference, anyone suffering this kind of abuse deserves full comp according to the law irrespective of their mental state.. As YMG implied each case needs to be reviewed individually rather than blanket reduction for drunkness....



Good to see a balanced debate if in doubt kill everyone... Exterminate all girls and there would be no females for men to rape job done and all that nagging would stop, there'd be less crap drivers on the roads and we could get into the bathroom as well.....

This post has been edited by bigbaldybloke: Aug 18 2008, 05:50 PM

Agreed.

Blatant Sexism deserves no place in discussions such as this. I'm tempted to mod it... If I/we receive complaints, I may well do just that.

For all we know the people who @ the CICA who decided to cut her compensation payout may have been female.... But hey maybe you're having a shite day or it's the wrong time of the month.

This post has been edited by eazbak: Aug 18 2008, 06:07 PM

*slaps eazbak*

Throwing this idea to the wind...

Alcohol has many effects - one of which is to depress judgement and ignore consequences. This effect is not under the control of the drunk peson.

So if you are drunk, and commit a crime, are you "suffering from diminished responsibility" for the crime? Clearly you can be held responsible for getting drunk in the first place - that goes without saying.

I think, if I remember right, that this was part of the reason the girl was awarded the full amount of the comp. If it was reduced it would lead to that exact precedence all sort's of retrials for diminished responsibility costing a bloody fortune... Hence cheaper to give a "few silly girls" comp than pay for all the retrials.... I think i heard it on the radio so no source... so just quote as IMO.....

how does that even make sense? indirect sexual discrimination... in order for it to be sexual discrimination, there would have to be some clear pattern of intoxicated men been raped and given full compensation while intoxicated women were being short changed. Let us not forget that men are also victims of sexual deviance. (looking at you shebuddy, no one was actually saying, "hey, she deserved it") It is this sort of rhetoric that really bothers me. Don't take me for some sexist pig. Justice should be dealt swiftly and firmly against the rapist. The woman should be given the aid she needs. As I said before, therapy would be the most beneficial. Perhaps a class or two about how to avoid situations that might lead to being a victim in the future. (You'd be suprised how far a little education will go).

But again I will ask, what the hell does rape have to do with twenty thousand dollars (pounds, whatever)? I work hard for my money, and if my tax dollars were going to compensating people in such a manner, I'd be rather miffed. I mean, damn, I barely make $20,000 a year. Does she really deserve a years worth of salary for being a victim?


no one was ever safe at any point during the history of the human race