Who made God?

Let me set things straight. I'm an atheist - not a sit-on-the-wall agnostic.

Atheists don't know that God does not exist - any more than theists know that he/she does. An atheist judges that the probability of god's existance is so low as to be almost non-existant - as low a probability as say, the sun rising in the west tomorrow.

When the idea of god is wheeled out to explain how the universe was made (and why - whatever that could mean) some young children ask the obvious question: who made God?

It's a simple question, and an answer usually fudged and dodged away by religious folk with the skill of a red-handed politician.

So I'm asking...

C'mon torrenter, thats just nasty..... lol

God would have had to have told someone who created him for there to be an answer to your question.

Not if whoever created him told someone else.

Who created the one who created God?

If god is omniscient, he would know. Even I know who my parents are, and have no claim to omniscience.

We'll come to that question in due course. Patience..

As an atheist, I have a simple answer to the original simple question, which has no infinite regress, but I don't think that most religious folk would like it.

This post has been edited by torrenter: Jun 27 2008, 04:18 PM

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c039.html

Please leave your brain at the door, though.

Ahh a google warrior!


Here comes the snake oil.. (answers that serve to negate the awkward question)


I guess I could affirm anything like this willy-nilly.

How about "God requires a cause because existence must be preceeded by non-existence"
or "Time could not exist in a non-existent universe"

..as I remarked in the OP, fudged and dodged.

This post has been edited by torrenter: Jun 27 2008, 04:33 PM

Like I said, leave your brain at the door.

Yes it was a quick Google.... any search would have turned up similar, and that was the point I was trying to make .... I mean, why don't the happy clappers just say: "I don't know" instead of making themselves sound like morons by pretending they do.

If there is a God (and I believe there is) I'd bet a marigold against a dried-up sun whitened dog-turd that there isn't a single solitary human being capable of even beginning to comprehend his/her/its nature, let alone being enough of an "expert" to tell others how to answer the question.

Like here:


*shakes head*

To me, you/anyone may as well ask what decade of the 20th century is God's hairstyle most reminiscent of. The correct answer (to both questions) is of course; "Fuck knows!"... although I think it would be cool if he had a 70's style Afro of staggeringly humorous proportions.

It's not too difficult for Human Beings to understand. I was waiting for that particular cop-out.

A god that is so alien as to surpass understanding is not only irrelavent to Human affairs (almost by definition), but is even more improbable than the White guy with a beard sitting on a cloud. And it has to have an origin, which just regresses us again..

It's not a cop-out... if it were, it'd be used more often by the various churches


My nature, my personality, my origins etc are all utterly beyond the understanding of my four-month-old son... Am I then irrelevent to him?


It/he/she doesn't HAVE to have anything.

Look, I'm not trying to duck out of explaining some shit with the usual "God works in mysterious ways" BS... I'm simply saying that nobody understands the nature of God.

I make that claim, without embarassment. If you believe in a physical god, that interacts in any way with material Human Beings (hence a physical god), it's hardly a conclusion determined by occam's razor given the (lack of) evidence; so yes - it deserves an explanation IMO. Anything so wildly improbable is bound to.

Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by god, and how such a thing would operate, or interact with Human Beings or even the Universe, generally?

If you define god as "something I can't understand" then yes - that's snake oil IMHO. After all, there are gadzillions of things you may not understand, but don't call god. It would be helpful if you could seperate god from "the mysterious" in some way, then we can make progress..

This post has been edited by torrenter: Jun 27 2008, 07:58 PM

well, i disagree that a god would require an origin. the notions of origin, causality, really the entire temporal concept. these are notions developed by humans as a means of processing our qualia. our experience of existence.

'god', being a concept not of this universe, is not in anyway bound by the 'laws' of this universe.

really, i think god is the wrong focus in life anyway. giant parental figure in the sky wagging his finger at you from another dimension is much less important than just trying to get along in the here and now. I'd love to see an open athiest win presidency in america just once.

It all depends what your definition of 'God' is really, don't you think?

To a Muslim it's Allah
To a Jew it's Jehovah
To an alcoholic it's Famous Grouse
To a smack head it's probably Glaxo-SmithKline

The answer can't be a blanket one...

(For the record I love that site YMG linked to! The fact that people need a website to give them answers speaks volumes.)

i thought god was made by aliens that taught him how to clone lol

If God exists he is a sadist.

Nice link YMG, the biggest problem I find with the whole scripture is that it starts from the premises there IS a God, therefore A, that proves there IS a God. Oh and more second law bullshit (evolution and stuff), and earth isn't even a CLOSED system so the argument is bullshit anyway.

And the

1) Big Bang MUST have a cause.
2) This cause must be outside of time to be able to not need need a cause
3) ??????????
4) God exist outside of time
5) The cause is God
6) Therefore God exists.

This post has been edited by jakster: Jun 28 2008, 09:56 AM