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This topic is about Xp's No-reformat, Nondestructive Total-rebuild Option, the author, SVCBadass, wrote about: It's one of those software design decisions that makes you scratch your head and wonder, "What were they thinking?" The "it" in this case is XP ... To read more just scroll down
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Jan 23 2008, 02:58 PM
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It's one of those software design decisions that makes you scratch your head and wonder, "What were they thinking?"
The "it" in this case is XP's most powerful rebuild/repair option, and yet Microsoft chose to hide it behind seeming dead ends, red herrings, and a recycled interface that makes it hard to find and (at first) somewhat confusing to use. But it's worth exploring because this option lets you completely and nondestructively rebuild, repair, or refresh an existing XP installation while leaving already-installed software alone (no reinstallation needed!). It also leaves user accounts, names, and passwords untouched and takes only a fraction of the time a full, from-scratch reinstall does. And unlike a traditional full reinstall, this option doesn't leave you with two copies of XP on your hard drive. Instead, you end up with just the original installation, but repaired, refreshed, and ready to go. We've saved this technique for last in our discussion of the various XP repair/rebuild options because the fixes we've previously discussed are like first aid--the things you try first. For instance, see this discussion on removing limitations on XP's Recovery Console, turning it into a more complete repair tool; or this discussion on the Recovery Console's little-known "Rebuild" command that can cure many boot-related problems. (There's also lots more on the Recovery Console here. But when the Recovery Console techniques don't work, and you're facing the prospects of a total reformat/reinstall, stop! Try the no-reformat reinstall technique we're about to illustrate, and you just may get your XP setup running again in a fraction of the time and with a fraction of the hassle of a grand mal wipe-and-restore. The no-reformat reinstall operation starts with a normal boot from an XP setup CD Start your PC with the setup CD in a drive, and hit a key when you see the following screen: ![]() Boot from your XP setup CD to gain access to the no-reformat reinstall option. If instead of booting to the CD your PC boots from the hard drive, you may need to modify your PC's "boot order." It's easy and only takes a minute to make the change so that the PC will check for a bootable CD before trying to boot from the hard drive. See this for more information. Once your PC starts to boot from the CD, you'll see something like what's shown in Screen 2: ![]() Let the CD boot proceed normally and automatically through "Setup is inspecting your computer's hardware..." to the "Windows Setup" screen. After a minute or two, you'll see the "Windows Setup/Setup is starting Windows" screen, shown in Screen Three. Don't be alarmed: It's still just the setup process running, and nothing's been changed on your PC yet. ![]() The "Starting Windows" screen is a bit of an overstatement; it's just the setup process getting going. Windows, as we normally think of it, isn't running yet, and no changes have been made to your PC. Soon after Screen Three, you'll be presented with the normal "Welcome to Setup" screen, as shown in Screen Four. ![]() The "Welcome to Setup" screen is poorly worded; the "Repair" option we want isn't the one explicitly offered here. In fact, the repair option we want isn't shown on this screen at all. See the text for full detail. The poorly worded options in Screen Four lead many users astray. The only mention of "Repair" here is "...repair a Windows XP installation using Recovery Console..." but that's not the no-reformat repair/reinstall we're seeking. (The Recovery Console Repair option is useful in its own right for fixing relatively minor problems with the operating system, and we fully explore it in the links listed above.) The repair option we do want--a nondestructive, no-reformat reinstall--is actually hidden beneath the Setup option, "To set up Windows XP now, press ENTER." So hit Enter, just as if you were setting up Windows afresh and from scratch. The next screen, about licensing, gives no reassurances that you're on the right path for a nondestructive repair/reinstall--in fact, it's the same screen you see when you're setting XP up on a virgin hard drive. But this is only the first of many screens that the Repair option will borrow from a full-blown setup. Press F8 to accept the licensing terms and to go on. Next, the XP setup process will show another screen that you may recall from your initial setup of XP. It searches for "a previous version of Microsoft Windows." In our case, we're not replacing a previous version of Windows, but rather repairing the very same version that's on the setup CD--but that's OK; it's just another poorly worded screen. ![]() Our intent is to repair the same version of Windows as is on the setup CD, but another poorly worded screen makes it seem like you're upgrading a previous version of Windows or installing one anew. But don't let the bad wording alarm you; we're still on track for a nondestructive reinstall. Screen Seven finally shows verbiage that's not recycled from the generic XP setup, but is specific to our Repair task. Setup should find your damaged copy of XP and present it for repair, as shown: ![]() At long last, Setup begins to refer to a Repair option. Here, Setup should have found your damaged XP setup, which you can select and then press R to start the nondestructive repair. If your damaged copy of XP isn't highlighted in the list box, highlight it now. When it's selected, press R to start the repair process. The Repair process then selectively deletes system files in the \Windows folder and subfolders and copies undamaged replacement files from the setup CD to their proper locations. ![]() The Repair process then works on the current setup's Registry, leaving much of it intact and rebuilding the rest. ![]() There's no fanfare, but this is one of the nicer parts of the Repair process: Setup retains what it can in the current Registry so that already-installed hardware and software will remain installed. With the system files freshly copied and the Registry ready for rebuilding, the system needs to reboot. Remove the CD from the drive so that the PC will boot to the hard drive instead of to the CD. The first Repair reboot will take longer than normal. Don't be alarmed. Also, don't be alarmed when Setup resumes. Once again, it will appear that you're performing a full, from-scratch setup; there's nothing on-screen to indicate that you're repairing an existing version of XP. But although the setup screens are the same as what you'd see in a full install, it's still a repair process, as will become clearer in a moment. The first two of the Repair setup screens ask for your language preferences and product key. Enter these normally. ![]() When Setup resumes, it will appear that you're performing a full, from-scratch setup. But don't worry--you're still indeed repairing your existing version of XP. Many of the next few Repair screens will also be familiar. The "installing devices" screen, for example, is identical to the one you normally see during a full, from-scratch setup. But Repair is actually retaining much of the current setup's configuration and so will move through these steps faster than in a full setup. ![]() The Repair version of the setup process skips or shortens many steps because it already has the information it needs from the existing setup. For example, Repair's "installing devices" and the network setup steps are both much faster and require less user input than a new setup does. The setup screens don't reflect the fact that a Repair proceeds much faster than a normal, full setup. In fact, the time estimates in the setup progress bar will be way off. You'll be done in far less time than the progress bar predicts. ![]() Just as with "installing devices," the network setup proceeds rapidly because Setup can reuse many of the configuration details from the current installation. In fact, a Repair setup takes far less time than the installation progress bar indicates. When this portion of the Repair is done, you'll see a "completing installation" screen: ![]() The "completing installation" screen means most of the heavy lifting is done, and you're just minutes away from finishing the repair operation. Setup then reboots your PC again, and this reboot will also take longer than usual. This is normal. With the bulk of the repair work done, your PC needs to reboot once more and will do so automatically. The reboot will take a bit longer than a standard boot, but this is normal. After the reboot, you'll be brought to an abbreviated version of the "Welcome To Windows" setup pages. You'll be asked if you want to register and--depending on how badly hosed the previous installation was--you may or may not be asked to reactivate the copy of Windows. Next, the setup software handles the final networking details and then offers a "thank you" screen. ![]() In most cases, the system will now reboot for a final time. The Repair is done. It's a normal boot, bringing you to the normal choices for login. With a final, fully normal reboot, you're done. Your copy of XP should be as good as new, but with all your previously installed hardware, software, and user configuration data undamaged! If all has gone as planned, you'll find all the user accounts and passwords intact, all the hardware devices set up as before, and all the previously installed software still installed and configured. In fact, if all has gone as planned, the only significant change will be that whatever problem your copy of XP was previously experiencing will now be gone! You now have a range of repair tools at your disposal, ranging from simple on-the-fly fixes such as Registry cleaning and safe Mode fixes to Recovery Console fixes, and, now, a nondestructive, no-reformat repair/rebuild option. With this information, you should almost never have to face a dreaded start-over-from-scratch reformat/reinstall of XP! This post has been edited by Geeker: Jan 27 2008, 09:46 AM
Reason for edit: Made a couple very slight adjustments
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Jan 26 2008, 07:48 AM
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Nice one thats very useful, I format way too much lol - Although I have a question... "How do you take screens from DOS? Like the setup screens and stuff?" - Just curious, never tried it, just the good old PS button?
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Jan 26 2008, 08:32 AM
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Nice one thats very useful, I format way too much lol - Although I have a question... "How do you take screens from DOS? Like the setup screens and stuff?" - Just curious, never tried it, just the good old PS button? well actually i use snagit most of the time but not for this i googled and found most 0f it..lol This post has been edited by SVCBadass: Jan 26 2008, 07:59 PM |
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Jan 26 2008, 12:17 PM
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Hey, cool... I didn't know about this. Great tutorial, very helpful!
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Jan 26 2008, 05:27 PM
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It's from Fred Lang's Langalist which I much preferred to Windows Secrets. I have done this numerous times. It works a treat.
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Jan 27 2008, 09:51 PM
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I have allso used this method but you do lose some hot fixes but its still quicker than a reformat .
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Feb 13 2008, 02:48 PM
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Just out of interest will this work for a motherboard upgrade, ie manually upgrading the board & the running the repair you suggested ? .. Just trying to find a way of upgrading root hardware without having to reformat & reinstall the OS without ghosting ect.
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Feb 14 2008, 04:30 PM
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It should be fine, but to be on the safe side, I'd uninstall the drivers before proceeding.
I recently upgraded my mobo, cpu and gfx-card and could boot up my old windows by merely unistalling the old drivers before the upgrade and correcting the boot.ini after the upgrade. |
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Feb 14 2008, 11:11 PM
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Cheers for the response. I really need to get around to setting up a test system to experiment with. Seems like every time I build one, it finds a home ..
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Feb 15 2008, 10:38 AM
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Be careful with this !!!!!!
I've just killed my installation of XP Pro using above method. Doesn't even get as far as putting in any keys. Just tries to load the windows logo and reboots. It now just cycles like that. I can't even get into safe mode to try and recover. I had to take the plunge and install Vista Ultimate on my second internal HD, thinking, once I've done that, I should be able to load up the Windows XP disc and point it back to the original installation and hopefully reinstall, keeping all settings. HOWEVER......Vista decided to rename my "D" drive into "C" drive (Great EH) So that really amused me right away (That's me being polite) and to top it all off, won't let me reinstall XP. It's basically saying that I can't overwrite a newer OS with an older one. So I'm stuck so far. I like the look of Vista and will keep it but a dual boot would have been handier. I had a hell of a lot of stuff tied up within XP that I don't want to lose, so any ideas of how to get back into it and get it running properly would be greatly appreciated. |
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Feb 15 2008, 07:01 PM
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well i am not sure what u were trying to do
i have sucessfuly installed dual boot systems but have always had to have xp on then add vista but this method is for a non total reformat it basically fixes things back to when you installed xp without deleteing all your saved files i have used this method several times on my laptop 5 times on my desktop and countless other times on firiedns pc's but not had a problem yet If you could tell me on what step you ahd the problem I may be able to help wng but like i said i am not sure what u were doing this with the dual boot this is for a standard xp setup |
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Feb 16 2008, 09:19 AM
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well i am not sure what u were trying to do i have sucessfuly installed dual boot systems but have always had to have xp on then add vista but this method is for a non total reformat it basically fixes things back to when you installed xp without deleteing all your saved files i have used this method several times on my laptop 5 times on my desktop and countless other times on firiedns pc's but not had a problem yet If you could tell me on what step you ahd the problem I may be able to help wng but like i said i am not sure what u were doing this with the dual boot this is for a standard xp setup as far as i know, if you put a dual boot on and XP system, the main, ie XP, has to go on after the second os has been installed! i know it sounds odd, but it is true, or at least was some years back when i had a Linux/XP dual boot running. same when i had win98se and XP. |
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Feb 16 2008, 09:57 AM
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