God Vs Science This Will Blow Your Mind

God vs. Science
A science professor begins his school year with a
lecture to the students, "Let me explain the problem science
has with religion." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses
before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.
"You're a Christian, aren't you,
son?"
"Yes sir, "the student says.
"So you believe in God?"
"Absolutely."
"Is God good?"
"Sure! God's good."
"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
"Yes."
"Are you good or evil?"
"The Bible says I'm evil."
The professor grins
knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment.
"Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here
and you cancure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would
you try?"
"Yes sir, I would."
"So you're good...!"
"I wouldn't say that."
"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and
maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But
God doesn't." The student does
not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he?
My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he
prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can
you answer that one?"
The student remains silent.
"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes
a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time
to relax. "Let's start again, young
fella. Is God good?" "Er...yes,"
the student says. " Is Satan good?"
The student doesn't hesitate on
this one. "No." "Then where does
Satan come from?" The student
falters. "From God" "That's right.
God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this
world?"
"Yes, sir." "Evil's
everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"
"Yes."
"So who created evil?" The professor
continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil,
since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works
define who we are, then God is evil."
Again, the student has no answer. "Is there sickness?
Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they
exist in this world?"
The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."
"So who created them?"
The student does not answer again, so the professor
repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no
answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of
the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he
continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus
Christ, son?" The student's voice
betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."
The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have
five senses you use to identify andobserve the world around you.
Have you ever seen Jesus?"
"No sir. I've never seen Him."
"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
"No, sir, I have not."
"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your
Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory
perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?"
"No, sir, I'm
afraid I haven't." "Yet you still believe in him?"
"Yes." "According
to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
science saysyour God doesn't exist. What do you say to that,
son?"
"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith." "Yes,
faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science
has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."
The student stands quietly for a moment, before
asking a question of His own. "Professor, is there such thing
as heat?"
"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."
"And is there such a thing as cold?"
"Yes, son, there's cold too." "No sir, there
isn't." The professor turns to face
the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes
very quiet. The student begins to explain. " You can have lots
of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat,
white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything
called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is
no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no
such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than
the lowest -458 degrees." "Every
body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit
energy. Absolute zero (-458F) is the total absence of heat. You
see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of
heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal
units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat,
sir,just the absence of it."
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom,
sounding like a hammer. "What about
darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"
"Yes," the professor replies without
hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?"
"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not
something; it is the absence of something. If you have no light
constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it?
That's the meaning we use to define the word."
"In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would
be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"
The professor begins to smile at the student in
front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are
you making, young man?" "Yes,
professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to
start with,and so your conclusion must also be flawed."
The professor's face cannot hide his
surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?"
"You are working on the premise of duality," the
student explains. "You argue that there is life and then
there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the
concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, science can't even explain a thought."
"It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen,
much less fully understood either one. To view death as the
opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot
exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of
life, just the absence of it." "Now
tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
from a monkey?" "If you are
referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes,
of course I do." "Have you ever
observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling,
as he realizes where theargument is going. A very good
semester, indeed. "Since no one has
ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even
prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you now
teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a
preacher?" The class is in uproar.
The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.
"To continue the point you were making
earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what
I mean." The student looks around
the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.
"Is there anyone here who has ever heard
the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or
smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with
all due respect, sir." "So if
science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures,
sir?" Now the room is silent. T he
professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.
Finally, after what seems an eternity,
the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on
faith." "Now, you accept that there
is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student
continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"
Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of
course, there is. We see it everyday.It is in the daily example
of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multi tude of crime and
violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are
nothing else but evil." To this the
student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It
is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to
describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is
the result of what happens when man does not have God's love
present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there
is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."
The professor sat down.
If you read this all the way through and had
a smile on your face when you finished, mail this to your
friends and family with the tille: God vs Science

YOU DONT HAVE TO EMAIL IT TO NO 1 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOU ALL THINK
AND DONT BE AFRAID IF GOD DOES EXSIST HE/SHE /IT WONT BE MAD LEAST I DONT THINK SO ......

IF YOU NOTICED BY MY SIGGY I AM MASONIC
A RELIGION THAT DATES BACK TO 10,000 BC BC, BEING BEFORE CHRIST
LONG BEFRE CHRISTIANS SPREED THE WORD OF THE BIBLE, MASONIC TEMPLES WERE ALL OVER THE KNOWN WORLD
IT IS ALSO SAID THAT MY FOUNDING BROTHERES WERE PART OF THE CREATION OF THE BIBLE AND ITS REIGN OF SHIT OVER THE WORLD

WE DONT BELIVE IN CHRIST ,BUT WE DO BELIVE IN 1 MAN HELPING ANOTHER ,IF THERE IS ANYONE LEFT ON EARHT THAT CAN DO SOMETHING AS EASY AS THAT
SO PLEZ GIMME SOME THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU HAVE READ AND YOUR RELIGIOUS PREFRENCES
AND REMEBER TO ALWAYS BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE NOT WHAT YOU ARE !!!
BECAUSE SOMETIMES TO MUCH PRIDE LEADS TO WAR IN THE NAME OF THINGS THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE !!!
BEFORE THERE WAS A 1 TRUE GOD THERE WAS NO WAR IN HIS NAME .
AFTER THE CLAIMED PROSECUTION OF CHRIST AND DEATH OF THE SON OF GOD ,MANY MILLLIONS OF PPL DIED IN THE NAME OF GOD
WHICH DISTERBED ME ENOUGH TO RENOUNCE CHRIST AND GOD AND TAKE A CLEARER LOOK AT CHRISTIANITY AND ALL THAT CRAP THAT HAS COME FROM IT

IF YOU DO BELIVE IN GOD THEN THERE IS NO NEED TO PAY TO WORSHIP HIM AT A CHURCH
HE IS ALL AROUND YOU AT ALL TIMES ,IN EVERY BREATH YOU TAKE ,STEP YOU TAKE ,JOB YOU DO ,LIFE YOU LIVE ,WORD YOU SAY

WHICH TO ME IS SOMETHING HARD TO BELIVE BUT NO ONE REALY KNOWS EXCEPT THE VATICAN ,AND IM ALMOST POSITIVE ,THEY WONT BE LETTING ANY SECRETS OUT SOON !!!!!


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MKVF edit: removed SHOUTING and hysteria!!!!! from post title. I like the forum index to be easy on the eye.

This post has been edited by MichaelKVegfruit: Nov 14 2008, 01:52 PM

Some people will believe any old rubbish, innit?

Debunked

And it's bollocks anyway. And go look up the term 'begging the question' - you can't set up your own fictional character, make him look foolish within the terms of your own narrative, then proclaim 'see, that proves God exists'. These stories of intellectual atheistic figures having their world-view soundly trashed by the average christian-on-the-street by the sheer strength of their religious logic are simply expressions of the frustration felt by the religious at the lack of substance behind their faith, and their lack of ability to express their world-view in a convincing manner. Your little tale of affirmation is worthless, and if you'd have thought about it for 5 minutes before you posted your illiterate upper-case rant (how do you expect us to respect your opinion when you write in such a manner?) you'd have seen that.

Good luck with the delusion though.

This post has been edited by Tootle: Nov 6 2008, 08:00 AM

lol... A Mason spreading Christian dogma... bizarre.

Well that wasted a few minutes, time to head on over to the NSS and see whats what.

Actually... no. Freemasonry dates back to around the turn of the seventeenth century. All the rites and customs (that are in the public domain anyway) refer to the raising of King Solomon's temple in Jerusalem. It is thought that Solomon, if he lived, was born around 1000 years before they nailed that guy to the tree. Just as a reference, the big pyramid at Giza was put up over a twenty year period (wikipedia says) and was completed around 2560 BCE. The earliest date for Stonehenge is 3000 BCE although some theories put it as late as 2200 BCE.

Now I find it stretches credulity to say that a religion/hobby that is based on modern* stonemasonry was extant in the neolithic period when none of the stone dressing techniches referred to in its rites are present in the archeological record.


*The term modern period or modern era (sometimes also modern times) is the period of history that followed the Middle Ages between c. 1350 and 1500. It is further divided into an early period of development called the early modern period, which lasted from c. 1500–1800. The modern era is an historical periodization that is applied primarily to European history. The later stage of the modern period is characterized Enlightenment in the 18th century and the Industrial Revolution of the 19th century.

This post has been edited by Foghorn: Nov 6 2008, 10:07 AM

i didnt say i belived in god, im a science man all the way ,and science will indeed kill us BUT how do you know whats real and what isnt
with centries of lies told from all sides ,no one will ever no the real truth till you die or some one is proven beyond a resonable doubt that one is correct and the other is false
And if you were a Free Mason you would no that there is alot more than what Wikipedia says about it
there's a lot more
like the differencr between a Blue Lodge & and a Head Lodge
and the truth about when it was realy started
by the slaves that joined together to form the first Union of men long before Solemen was around
but those are the things reserved for Men of the Square and Compass
and unforunatly i cant tell ya about that stuff
if you want to know talk to a Free Mason and Make it to the 33rd Degree then tell me when Masonic Brotherhoods were started


This post has been edited by djbigfish79: Nov 6 2008, 08:56 PM

I assume you mean you don't believe that he was divine not that he ever existed.....

I have been reading quite a bit about circular belief systems... Spiritualism, religion, etc. It's interesting how people justify their "faith"... ergo If I pray and it happens "God is great and has answered my prayers" if I pray and it doesn't happens then God knows what is best and it's not up to me to challenge his decision proving that "God is great and all knowing"... It is also easy to remember when "miracles" (unusual psychic events) happen and forget the billions of times they don't... What people fail to realise that with so many people on the planet and trillions of events happening every nano second it would be highly unlikely for "unexplainable events" not to happen.....

For the the lucky few who win the lottos each week round the world it would be very strange if some of those people didn't get the numbers from a dream or random cards or a vision..... This only proves that we are a diverse population...

With so many people on the planet what happens when people are praying for opposite things i.e. "please God take our loved one swiftly to end their suffering" and "please God cure our loved one" who "wins".... Steven Hawkins put it quite well when asked if God created everything he said "If He did then He hasn't had much to do with his creation since then."

I'm sure many Americans (USA) are praying for a swift end to the crisis in the Gulf (Just bring our children home), while many more are praying for a US victory (death to all A Rabs) all are doing this out of genuine concern all are committed to their faith most are praying to the same God... Some are going to get their "prayers answered" But whatever the outcome all will believe that whatever happens it was Gods will...

You should read Derren Brown "Tricks of the mind" or DL "Debunking Christianity"

I didn't read the upper case misspelled rant, I did read the 80 character lines before it. The teacher was a nut might be the conclusion of it, not that God does exists.

Comparing measurable quantities to words like Good or Evil doesn't work as well and is flawed in itself

Science makes certain assumptions based on provable "scientific" research... No human has ever ever lived without a brain (that we know of)... To check the the professor has a brain is relatively simple cut his head off... However scientists do not feel the need to check every human for the presence of a brain although some people seem to strongly defend the students theory if I can't see it then it's not there.... *fingers in ears lalalalalala* Scientists assume eg. that helium atoms are all very similar and act in similar ways under certain conditions they don't need to check every helium atom in the universe to support their findings...



1st let me thank you for explaining BC... and where did you get your info 10000 years any history I've read on masonic web sites say that although some symbols and rituals have been handed down it is highly unlikely that free masonry existed earlier that 945 years Before Christ..

Whilst Freemasonry draws much imagery from the history and construction of King Solomons Temple (@ 945 BC) by masons from the Phoenician city of Tyre, it seems fanciful to claim direct Stone-Mason links from that era. Nevertheless, skills in the manipulation of stone had been well established by then and had been handed down through the ages and through the hands of many peoples including craftsmen from the Greek, Byzantine and Roman eras. source



I realise that djbigfish79 cannot be dissuaded from his delusions but I'm bored and having fun...




Are you confessing that all the babies murdered, the children burnt to death, millions slaughtered,in the name of the bible, are all down to people you call FOUNDING BROTHERES.... Are you proud of this sorry I'm lost.... Surly that's the best reason to disassociate yourself from these evil men....


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This post has been edited by bigbaldybloke: Nov 6 2008, 03:05 PM

I know that we're not supposed to point out spelling or grammatical mistakes, and I'm glad of the rule because I make enough typos of my own but I do think this world would be slightly better off if discused were a real word. Say it with me now: diss-kews'd. Isn't it lovely? I say we thank djbigfish for our lovely new LPP word, ignore the rest of his rant and get on with the business of deciding what action the verb discuse describes and how we intend to propogate its usage.

discused verb: the act of overturning a previous excusal (verb: the act of excusing someone) I.E teacher to student... I know I excused you from PE but because of you behavior you are now "discused"

Interesting. I thought that maybe it was that act of making a wild accusation, as we like to do rhetorically in here all the time, e.g. I resent the fact that you discused me of arrogance and pedantry.

Someone called you arrogant and pedantic and you think it was a I refer you to the smug mmmmMM comment next to the "wind powered dykes" which I thought was quite amusing....

This post has been edited by bigbaldybloke: Nov 6 2008, 02:37 PM

No that was me doing a pervy Homer Simpson impersonation. For pedantry and arrogance qv just about every other post I've made.

Thanks for the clarification perhaps, without being arrogant or pedantic, quotes with a tag line "In the style of" would avoid confusion in future....

This post has been edited by bigbaldybloke: Nov 6 2008, 02:39 PM

Tell you what:

mmmmmMMM wind powered dykes:




oh dear you spelled powered wrong:



and how dare you discuse me of smuggery!

I think if you read my post CAREFULLY and try to overlook my dyslexia and inability to use spoil check correctly you will find at no point did I call you smug..... the "smuggery" in question was a perceived tone in a written statement and not a direct attack of your delicate psyche...

As for the homer cartoon NOW it makes sense.... now really, was it that difficult.....

This post has been edited by bigbaldybloke: Nov 6 2008, 03:12 PM

you two should get a room.....

Will there be dykes?

only wave powered ones.....

DOH *in homer Simpsons voice [you have to be sooo careful in this forum]* I prefer the windy ones