Madonna

What's wrong with being sexy?

Or racey, come to that?

Well, I agree with myself that it IS bad, so that picks it right back up and reflates it.


I don't object to your facts - I've yet to see them. Like I said, I don't consider a press statement from Madonna's publicist, fact.


YMG walks into the doctor's surgery and slaps his opinion on the examination table. The Dr. examines it and says, "What exactly is the Problem with it, Mr. YMG?"

"Nothing," says YMG... "It's a fucking beauty though, innit!"

So @YMG: No new facts; only your own opinion; it's your own wank-fest Q.E.D.

So that's what disingenuoius means!

Whatever you think of celebrities in general, Madonna has done something worthwhile. I'm not a fan of celeb culture, but I have to admit it in this case.

This post has been edited by torrenter: Apr 2 2009, 04:42 PM

"Worthwhile" would have been funding the orphanage (as she has) AND then not expecting that cash to buy her the right to waltz in and create a pick 'n' mix family of accessory kids.

So you're anti adoption then?

No, I'm pro adoption... I'd have little or no problem with any of this, if adopting foreign babies meant having to first meet the same criteria, and following the same adoption screening procedure, as you do when you apply to adopt a child from your country of residence... on top of meeting the requirements in the third party state.

As an addition to that requirement, I think there should be some kind of appraisal procedure examining the reasoning behind a choice to adopt and import a foreign child, rather than one of the thousands of domestic kids living in our own state homes, desperately in need of suitable adoptive parents.... Not a ban, because sometimes I think there may be a good reason. However, Madonna's claim that there was an immediate and profound connection (which apparently struck her as she perused the stock) smacks of celebrity new ageist thinking and is obviously a nonsense invented to justify her Brangelena style need to accessorise with brown babies.

This post has been edited by yourmercifulgod: Apr 2 2009, 07:20 PM

But aren't most adopters' reasons for adopting suspect if you scrutinise them?

Perhaps, perhaps not... the point is though, that here (and the US) their reasons ARE properly and professionaly scrutinised, along with all the other elements of their suitability.

There are damn good reasons why we don't just let anybody walk in off the street, browse for a baby in our own orphanages, and adopt one like it was a rescue puppy, and we shouldn't allow our citizens to do so in the third world, either.

Do you really think that they wouldn't let Madonna adopt a baby in the US or in the UK if she wanted to?

Don't take offence, but that's fucking stupid.

You have expectations of celebrities that way exceed mine. Do you idoilise them?


I would expect a celebrity to be totally selfish and not give a fuck about Malawi orphans. But Madonna has pricked that bubble.

Why do you expect a celebrity to do politics, when there are so many politicians that plainly don't care? Is it monetary envy?

@Foggy... Hard to say, but my gut tells me no, not at the moment... If it were me making the decision, I would say that I would consider her currently unsuitable because her reasoning is bound to be suspect purely on the grounds that she's only weeks past a divorce.... but that's just me.

Like I said though, I'd have no problem with this if proper and professional scrutiny was applied... but it isn't, so I do. On top of that, I get the feeling that beside the whole "fad" thing, I think she realises herself, that UK/US adoption agencies wouldn't give her much shrift currently if she'd have approached them recently.

This post has been edited by yourmercifulgod: Apr 2 2009, 07:58 PM

Have you been through a divorce @YMG? I have. And supported and was a solo father to 2 young children. I call bullshit - particularly as you have done the same. Why are you better than Madonna?

IW based on envy - I say.

Proof? When/where has she been 'shown the door'? If she wanted to adopt a child from the US or UK, my money would be on her.

This post has been edited by BladeD: Apr 2 2009, 08:04 PM

I don't expect them to do squat... I just don't expect them to be allowed to buy kids in the same way they buy handbags or shoes.... envy has nothing to do with it, morals do.

Here's some 'facts' (my perception, my reality)

If I wanted to adopt a kid in the UK it would take years of planning, applications and tests
If I wanted to adopt a kid from outside the UK, it would take even longer
If I wanted to adopt a kid from outside the UK, especially from some backwater country I could give it a far better life.
If I was (and am) single the chances of this happening would be slim
If I had recently become divorced and already had some kids of my own, plus had adopted already, I would have no chance of adopting a non UK baby.

Despite this, Madonna does get what she wants in double quick time. Why? I can only boil this down to money and fame. There is nothing to say I could not be a better parent - fact.

Maybe she'll slip it into her Gucci bag and carry it around in that, like those puppy dogs.

BTW - She is fit though, I would.

I say forget about Madonna and worry about all the kids that no one is adopting.

http://www.kidstoadopt.org/adoptionqualifications.htm

And today's latest ...........

An official of the Malawian government has backed Madonna's bid to adopt a second child from the African country.

The singer is due to return to court on Friday to learn if she can adopt four-year-old Chifundo James.

"Madonna has been good to us," Information Minister Patricia Kaliati told news agency Reuters.

"Very few rich and famous people can take time to fly all the way to Malawi to support our children. We support her adoption process."

"[Madonna] is supporting over 25,000 orphans in this country and she has proved that she can take care of David," she added.

Madonna has said it is "amazing" to be back in the country where she adopted David Banda in 2006.

'Family environment'

Chifundo, the girl at the centre of the case, whose name translates into English as Mercy, is in the same orphanage that was previously home to David, who is now three years old.

She has been living in an orphanage since her 18-year-old mother died shortly after giving birth.

Earlier this week, Madonna attended an hour-long hearing in Lilongwe to ask for permission to take Chifundo out of the country. She is seeking an 18-month interim adoption order.

Equals: Thank you for your money, pick a child *Kerching* Thank you, please come again.

If you want quotes, here's one from respected charity and international children's rights advocates, Save The Children...

"We believe children in poverty should best be looked after by their own people in their own environment. Instead of adopting individual children, it would be better to help Malawians feed and educate all of their children. Transporting the population of Malawi to live across the world in mansions is not going to solve any problems. International adoptions should be considered only if the child is a genuine orphan and if all other alternatives in its own country have been exhausted. International adoption can actually exacerbate the problem it hopes to solve. The very existence of orphanages encourages poor parents to abandon children in the hope that they will have a better life."

Or here's one from the Human Rights Consultative Committee in Malawi....

"Malawi does not, as a rule, approve adoptions for single or divorced people, but Madonna has the money and the status to use her profile to manipulate, to fast-track the process."

Or how about the UN Children's fund....

"Adoption should be into the local community and, if possible, the extended family"

No? How about the Child's own grandmother, Lucy Checkechiwa, who has said she will take care of the child...

"The adoption is stealing... I won't let her go."