Madonna

and the very, very, very latest..



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So the many folk with their own agendas to push have won. And the four-year-old, with hopes dashed will grow up wondering what her life could have been.

Meanwhile, the real traffiking will go on when the fuss dies down, with Malawi girls sold for considerably less than the do-gooders earn in a month.

I'm speechless.

Yeah, you can virtuall smell the vested interests being trampled on. Gimme a fucking break. "Her own people"?? When did we stop being "all the same underneath the skin"? Since when was it better to grow up in an orphanage in some poverty-stricken shit-hole where you stand an even chance of not making it to adulthood, than in a secure and comfortable environment? Are we all fucking cultural relativists now?

Madonna, for all her faults, has already PROVED she is a capable adopter, because she's already done it. Isn't a divorcee with the obvious resources and a track-record better than a married unknown?

Using phrases like 'accessorize' is just rhetoric YMG. She may be a perfectly capable and devoted parent for all you know. You're OP is breathtaking in it's assumptions and bias. I have little liking for the woman, so if you can make even me feel defensive on her behalf I think that ought to tell you something.

Call it what you like, rhetoric, bias... doesn't make any difference to me... Expecting celebs to follow the same rules as everybody else, is no bad thing. Expecting the wealthy to be held to the same standards and procedures as everybody else is no bad thing either. Throwing all that, and proper procedure, scrutiny and practices (and not to mention several laws) out of the window because of some half-arsed "won't somebody please think of the children" argument, doesn't was with me... I'm sorry that it makes you feel all defensive of Madonna, though.

From the BBC's link from eazbak:


Don't feel too bad tho... there is little doubt that this ruling won't be allowed to stand once the politicians in Malawi get another phone call from Madonna's publicist/accountant.

This post has been edited by yourmercifulgod: Apr 3 2009, 12:41 PM

And now YMG you should follow that childs life and see how well it turns out there in Africa..."the land of opportunity".



This post has been edited by f33dback: Apr 3 2009, 12:21 PM

So we sacrifice the chilld's future because you're narked she didn't play by the rules? I had no idea you were such a conformist. And here was I thinking you were more of a pragmatist. It's no great suprise that great wealth allows one to fast-track a process - it was ever thus. But clearly, her wealth and celebrity weren't enough to allow her to ignore the rules completely. Frankly, I'm at a loss to see what your argument is, other than general bile towards a celebrity that you particularly dislike.

Other than disgust at her actions in this event, I have no feelings for Madonna one way or the other.

The rules regarding child adoption are there for a damn good reason. The "arguments" as to why, is self explanatory... The notion and ideal that they are evenly applied and that they cannot be bought or sold, is not a surrendering of common sense, and neither does it constitute an abrogation of my pragmatism.

Quite the opposite, in fact.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/barry_s..._of_wisdom.html

Not being funny f33dback, but I'm not sitting through 20 minutes of video... summarise it, and make your point, please

Talk is cheap. If the grandmother will take care of the child, why is she in the orphanage in the first place!!!???

Someone to ready worry about or there's enough to go around...




Nothing to talk about now...

Malawi court rejects Madonna adoption request



This post has been edited by BladeD: Apr 3 2009, 02:38 PM

This is not a particularly good TED talk. I think the idea that one can develop wisdom by being allowed to fail is true but it doesn't address the issue of what the immediate consequences of failure can be. As for pushing for action on the basis of morals rather than incentive that just sounds to me like a cheap bastard who isn't prepared to pony up the reward for going the extra mile. Ambulancemen, Firemen, Nurses, hell even Teachers do what they do, for a basic salary and don't get rewarded every time they save a life or change it significantly for the better, I think they should by paying them what they are worth to society instead of grading jobs by how menial the individual physical tasks are.

What I got from it is that we have allowed bureaucracy to take the place of wisdom, and that talk gives a great example of that, in this Malawi case, because there is so much media attention the people in charge have capitulated and enforced the rules, these same people that have enforced the rules know for a fact the child would be better off with Mad.

The same people that enforced those rules probably felt that given the level of publicity that they received in this case despite the fact that the single child would have been better off with Mad that the overall message that they sent by enforcing the rules would benefit many more children.

Bureaucracy would not have been allowed to replace wisdom if wisdom had been in sufficiently plentiful supply. The speaker at that TED talk acknowledges that wisdom comes with experience and that the corollary of this is that failure is often needed to accumulate such experience. It is currently felt that rules are necessary in order to safeguard against failure in cases where the welfare of a vulnerable individual is at stake; if this means that someone fails to gain wisdom but that there is a net societal benefit then so be it.

I think people wouldn't dismiss these rules so flippantly if it was Gary Glitter or Michael Jackson trying to adopt a child.... If Madonna really is a fit adoptive parent, then she should have no problem coming to terms with the fact that these adoption rules are in place for a good reason, and not just an inconvenience to be circumvented, like some maître de who "doesn't know who she is"

She'll accept no such thing, though... More money will change hands, more stamping of feet will happen, and Madge will eventually get what she wants.

No doubt the child will be better off, and no doubt other children not going to a live in the Madge mansion will pay the price for her coming in and blowing away what little regulatory protection those children had.

For every Madonna, there are at least 10 just as rich as her but without the fame. So they can do what she is trying to do WITHOUT being in the spotlight. Now, there is where you should be worry about the rules being followed.

Nope... YOU should be worrying about why you think it's OK for a celeb to publicly and openly attempt to circumvent rules designed to protect children, but consider it worthy of great concern for "non-famous" westerners to do the same.

To ME, they're both unacceptable.

I do feel, and I am not saying this applies to anyone in this forum, that the media coverage of both this and the last adoption by Madonna is driven by envy and the high moral ground disguises a desire to bash her in the one area where money can't buy you peace of mind.

Envy-shmemvy... are those supporting her, being fanboys? Of course not... A dickless argument if ever I heard one.

Yeah I guess it's "Bye Bye Baby" for Madonna, and "Nobody's Perfect" but it's "Bittersweet" and "Causing A Commotion" which is "Amazing" to me as it "Ain't No Big Deal" so why be a "Cry Baby " let the child have her "Lucky Star" and live an "American Life"

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Madonna-509/Mad...Song-Titles.htm

*cough*

This post has been edited by f33dback: Apr 3 2009, 10:02 PM

Who are you and what have you done with the real YMG??