Madonna

This topic is about Madonna, the author, yourmercifulgod, wrote about: OK let me ask you this... A fifty year old woman, going through a divorce, walks into a social service office in the US or UK, and applies to adopt a ... To read more just scroll down

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yourmercifulgod View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 10:10 AM Post #1
Island Mini-Golf Champion! Apple Shooter Champion! Tribal Olympics Champion! Bash The Haggis Champion! Yourmercifulgod™ Group: sVIP Received 703 Thanks Posts: 7,866 Joined: 22-March 04 From: +62 16 45.94 -6 51 37.14 Member No.: 204	OK let me ask you this... A fifty year old woman, going through a divorce, walks into a social service office in the US or UK, and applies to adopt a child - How long before they smile politely and show her the door? 5 seconds? 10? How come, then (if the adoption goes through) the social services in the UK/US haven't made it clear to this old child trafficker, that should she not fulfill the requirements to adopt a child in her home country, she is not suitable to adopt a child, full stop/period.... as such, any child she tries to adopt from a third party nation, will be taken into care, and she will be prosecuted for child trafficking. You're either fit to adopt a child or you're not... the child's skin colour, country of origin or social status is academic. I'm pretty sure that fifty or sixty years from now, this current white celebrity fad of adopting brown babies will be seen in much the same way we look back at some of the more abhorrent attitudes from the 50's and 60's. Watching the old skank strutting up and down lines of brown babies, looking to pick one out, was a sickening display reminiscent of a human cattle market for the wealthy... Would this be legal if these kids were white.

bigbaldybloke View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 10:28 AM Post #2
Advanced Member Group: sVIP Received 748 Thanks Posts: 9,353 Joined: 23-January 08 From: Belfast Member No.: 283	The amount of money she's gonna spend powdering her already over inflated ego with more children to "love her" would be much better spent in the community that the children are being torn from.... What's wrong with adopting british chidren in the care system, ah yes that wouldn't curb her guilt at living an opulent life... Poor wee black babies "I'll be the Madonna and save them"........... This post has been edited by bigbaldybloke: Apr 1 2009, 10:29 AM

torrenter View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 10:46 AM Post #3
Radioactive Group: sVIP Received 115 Thanks Posts: 4,638 Joined: 23-March 04 From: Tenerife, Canary Islands Member No.: 625	On Utilitarian grounds it's OK morally.

eazbak View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 11:24 AM Post #4
Advanced Member Group: sVIP Received 182 Thanks Posts: 3,701 Joined: 26-February 04 From: United Counties of Chav Member No.: 201	I do have a problem with this, but... QUOTE (bbb) better spent in the community that the children are being torn from.... She sort of does, with her Raising Malawi charity. I believe the orphanage is funded by that charity. Like I said I do have a problem with this, I don't particularly think it is right and that chances are the Government of that country is probably fast tracking and even allowing this to happen because of her "status" If we are going to condemn Madonna we also have to sling vast quantaties of shite at Brad and Angie, especially for fucking awful comments like this QUOTE "I want to create a rainbow family. That's children of different religions and cultures, from different countries," she said. "I believe I'm meant to find my children in the world somewhere and not necessarily have them genetically. "I like to think with every adoption I'm saving another child from an orphanage." Feck, now I've got to go be sick...

jakster View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 12:11 PM Post #5
Moon Lander Champion! Red Group: sVIP Received 63 Thanks Posts: 7,501 Joined: 18-June 04 From: Netherlands Member No.: 231	At least these children have a change to die of drugs at age 21, instead of growing up in an orphanage and also die of other cases at that age.

f33dback View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 02:22 PM Post #6
And you thought Rave meant dancing. Group: sVIP Received 153 Thanks Posts: 7,686 Joined: 12-June 04 From: USA Member No.: 364	2 things: #1 I would fuck her #2 the kid gets a better shot at life with that skank than he/she could at the orphanage, and frankly none of you have any idea how she is with the kids, she could be very loving.

eazbak View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 02:35 PM Post #7
Advanced Member Group: sVIP Received 182 Thanks Posts: 3,701 Joined: 26-February 04 From: United Counties of Chav Member No.: 201	By all accounts she dotes on the children she has adopted and is a very good mother when you consider that they spend their lives under the glare of the camera... She does get stick for adopting these children, in a recent rag she was criticised because she had "help" looking after the children, but lets face it when you have kids and can afford "help" you'll buy it in in spades... especially if you are someone like Madonna. This post has been edited by eazbak: Apr 1 2009, 02:37 PM

Foghorn View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 03:21 PM Post #8
Advanced Member Group: sVIP Received 560 Thanks Posts: 2,796 Joined: 12-November 07 Member No.: 353	QUOTE (f33dback @ Apr 1 2009, 03:22 PM) 2 things: #1 I would fuck her #2 the kid gets a better shot at life with that skank than he/she could at the orphanage, and frankly none of you have any idea how she is with the kids, she could be very loving. I agree with everything that f33dback said. Mummy, I'm scared.

yourmercifulgod View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 03:46 PM Post #9
Yourmercifulgod™ Group: sVIP Received 703 Thanks Posts: 7,866 Joined: 22-March 04 From: +62 16 45.94 -6 51 37.14 Member No.: 204	The point is, that the Child Welfare/Social Services in most Western countries (including her usual/most recent places of residence (the UK and - I believe - the US) would not entertain the idea allowing of a 50 year old, very recently divorced woman, from adopting a child in their own country. By allowing her to adopt a child from a third world country, and bring it back into their jurisdiction, those adoption agencies are fundamentally admitting that either their own adoption policies are wrong, or that third world kids don't qualify for the same level of protection against unsuitable adoption practices, as western kids. Whether or not the kid grows up and leads a Western lifestyle, fueled by avaricious consumerism and filled with all the gaudy trappings of the rich and famous, is academic. Whether or not Madonna is very loving towards it, is also academic... These are babies, not rescue puppies, and celebrities picking one out and buying it almost like a fashion accessory to fill a void created by the vacuous nature of their lives, is objectionable and morally repugnant. @T.... I don't base my morals on utilitarianism, so no, I don't think this is "OK morally" This post has been edited by yourmercifulgod: Apr 1 2009, 03:48 PM

Foghorn View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 03:51 PM Post #10
Advanced Member Group: sVIP Received 560 Thanks Posts: 2,796 Joined: 12-November 07 Member No.: 353	So people breeding in order to fill a void created by the vacuous nature of their lives is ok is it?

yourmercifulgod View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 04:25 PM Post #11
Yourmercifulgod™ Group: sVIP Received 703 Thanks Posts: 7,866 Joined: 22-March 04 From: +62 16 45.94 -6 51 37.14 Member No.: 204	It isn't when they are breeding to accessorise, no. You can't justifiably or reasonably legislate against bad family planning, but you certainly can about bad adoption policies. The point about adoption policy remains... in some societies it is perfectly acceptable to have sex with what we in the west would consider kids. Sex tourism is illegal here in the UK, which means we prosecute somebody who goes to a third country to do things with kids that they cannot do lawfully here.... If a 50 year old woman, two minutes this side of a nasty marriage breakup can't legally adopt here, why can she go abroad to do it and return here with that child without facing the same repercussions other "special" tourists face? Isn't baby buying tourism just as repellent as sex tourism? There are very good reasons why Madge wouldn't be allowed to adopt a British or American kid right now, so why do those reasons diminish when it is a brown skinned, third world kid? Cultural imperialism? Elitism? Glorification of the celebrity? I can think of many possible reasons why they diminish.... none of them are particularly palatable, though. This post has been edited by yourmercifulgod: Apr 1 2009, 04:29 PM

arrgh View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 04:30 PM Post #12
OK, weasels didn't really rip my flesh.... Group: sVIP Received 384 Thanks Posts: 5,342 Joined: 28-December 03 From: Fraser Valley, BC, Canada Member No.: 67	F33dback has a point although I wouldn't fuck her. I can't stand the woman. I think you'll find that adoption laws are a bit more lax than you imagine, ymg, where the potential parent is stinking rich. They are going to look at the quality of life the child can expect if adopted as opposed to that if they remain in care or poor. In fact, being in a relationship is not a prerequisite for adopting a child nor IMO is it a necessity.

f33dback View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 04:38 PM Post #13
And you thought Rave meant dancing. Group: sVIP Received 153 Thanks Posts: 7,686 Joined: 12-June 04 From: USA Member No.: 364	QUOTE (yourmercifulgod @ Apr 1 2009, 09:25 AM) You can't justifiably or reasonably legislate against bad family planning. Why not?

yourmercifulgod View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 04:48 PM Post #14
Yourmercifulgod™ Group: sVIP Received 703 Thanks Posts: 7,866 Joined: 22-March 04 From: +62 16 45.94 -6 51 37.14 Member No.: 204	No, you're right, there is no legal barrier from preventing someone with Madonna's personal circumstances from adopting... It is however unlikely that the legal adoption agencies here in the west (certainly the UK) would consider her as currently suitable to adopt a child, let alone an infant. People are being turned down in this country as adoptive parents to very young children because of their age, weight, whether or not they smoke, and all manner of things these days, and that includes ethnic differences to the child.

Foghorn View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 05:03 PM Post #15
Advanced Member Group: sVIP Received 560 Thanks Posts: 2,796 Joined: 12-November 07 Member No.: 353	I think there are all manner of stupidities in the rules for adoption agencies. I think that rather than make rules about age they would be better off looking at life expectancy. Rather than the fact that there had recently been a divorce then there could be a question about how settled the home life of the adopter is. The media have once again been instrumental in constructing these images of celebrities as vacuous and desirous of kids as accessories but we have no clue if that is true or not. I would have felt happier if Mad Donna had decided to adopt a little Britney or Danii from a sink estate in this country but even so that kid is going to have access to all manner of advantages that they wouldn't otherwise have. If adoption agencies here have got stupid rules then that isn't the ageing banjo cleaners fault, is it?

f33dback View Member Profile	Apr 1 2009, 05:18 PM Post #16
And you thought Rave meant dancing. Group: sVIP Received 153 Thanks Posts: 7,686 Joined: 12-June 04 From: USA Member No.: 364	She may have gone to Africa for her children for a variety of reason, one of which would be what YMG is talking about (while ignoring my bait) and the other being that kids in the UK or the USA technically have more government and societal support than those in Africa, unfortunately in practice that isn't always true.

Tootle View Member Profile	Apr 2 2009, 03:47 AM Post #17
Advanced Member Group: sVIP Received 273 Thanks Posts: 6,707 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Auckland Member No.: 237	This thread is sexist, ageist and racist. A new low.

torrenter View Member Profile	Apr 2 2009, 06:42 AM Post #18
Radioactive Group: sVIP Received 115 Thanks Posts: 4,638 Joined: 23-March 04 From: Tenerife, Canary Islands Member No.: 625	Let's not let this be an LPP wank-fest bereft of any facts at all, shall we? QUOTE (BBC News) Pop star Madonna is not receiving any special treatment to help speed the process of adopting a young girl in Malawi, her spokeswoman has said. Liz Rosenberg said the star was "not skirting any legal issues" in trying to adopt four-year-old Mercy James. A Malawian judge held a closed-door hearing on Monday on the star's adoption application but delayed ruling until Friday. Madonna adopted baby David Banda from Malawi in 2006. "The adoption process for Mercy began over a year ago when Madonna met her on one of her visits to Malawi. The connection was instant and profound," Rosenberg told Reuters. "Madonna's desire to adopt Mercy is totally heartfelt. She is not skirting any legal issues in her application to adopt this child and is looking to provide a loving family environment and the best education and health care possible," she added. 'Last resort' Mercy has been living in an orphanage since her 18-year-old mother died shortly after giving birth, according to the child's uncle, John Ngalande. Her father is believed to be alive but has little contact with his daughter, he said. The Human Rights Consultative Committee (HRCC) has criticised Madonna's adoption attempts, saying that adoption should be the last resort and that children need to be taken care of by their own family. "Mercy James is a child who has her extended close family members alive and we urge Madonna to assist the child from right here," it said in a statement. Earlier this week, the chairman of the HRCC said the star had "the money and the status to use her profile to manipulate, to fast-track the process". But others have said that the adoption would give enormous opportunities to the child that she would be unable to achieve in the impoverished country. Meanwhile, if Jade Tweedy can raise awareness of cancer screening, why shouldn't Madonna raise awareness of child traffiking in Malawi? QUOTE According to a research report conducted by Centre for Social Research (CSR) in Blantyre, Salima, Lilongwe and Mangochi, there are between 500 and 1,500 women and children trafficked within Malawi annually, at least 30% are aged between 14 and 18. The survey found that traffickers often recruited victims from densely populated areas and trafficked from rural to urban areas. source Being "traffiked" into Madonna's luxury lifestyle - why worry, when so many Malawi girl-children end up in South African brothels? I.W of the first order!. Madonna could be spending her dosh on cocaine like so many other celebs & hacks, and no-one would bat an eyelid. Good on her, I say. Assumed (guessed) motives - who gives a stuff? This post has been edited by torrenter: Apr 2 2009, 08:18 AM

yourmercifulgod View Member Profile	Apr 2 2009, 11:49 AM Post #19
Yourmercifulgod™ Group: sVIP Received 703 Thanks Posts: 7,866 Joined: 22-March 04 From: +62 16 45.94 -6 51 37.14 Member No.: 204	QUOTE (torrenter @ Apr 2 2009, 07:42 AM) Let's not let this be an LPP wank-fest bereft of any facts at all, shall we?<SNIP> Since when did the publicist/agent of one of the parties, putting out a statement in support of that party's POV, constitute fact? There are some very respectable child charities and organisations, as well as local activists, who are quite adamant in their objection to this. The dismissive, one sided statements of Madonna's entourage, do not make fact. And the logic behind the "traffiking" argument is appallingly bad... Something bad happens, so something else bad is OK!!! This post has been edited by yourmercifulgod: Apr 2 2009, 11:50 AM

torrenter View Member Profile	Apr 2 2009, 03:14 PM Post #20
Radioactive Group: sVIP Received 115 Thanks Posts: 4,638 Joined: 23-March 04 From: Tenerife, Canary Islands Member No.: 625	QUOTE (yourmercifulgod @ Apr 2 2009, 12:49 PM) Since when did the publicist/agent of one of the parties, putting out a statement in support of that party's POV, constitute fact? There are some very respectable child charities and organisations, as well as local activists, who are quite adamant in their objection to this. The dismissive, one sided statements of Madonna's entourage, do not make fact. And the logic behind the "traffiking" argument is appallingly bad... Something bad happens, so something else bad is OK!!! I'm not agreeing that Madonna's adoption is "bad", so your point falls flat. If you object to my facts - post your own. Opinion alone is not good enough for a debate - that's why I called it a wank-fest.

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