The British called they want their guns back

And that's the sort of POV that very substantially increases the likelihood that someone actually will come after you with a weapon. Your whole society is in an arms race with itself.... Still, so long as you don't end up with a mineshaft gap, you should be OK


America has one of the most draconian judicial and penal systems in the world... You lock-up more of your population (and for longer) than any country in the OECD and you execute more per head of population than any other Western nation. In world rankings, only China, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan are worse... not nice company to keep, if you ask me.

I don't think leniency is your country's problem, here.


No. No it isn't.

The outcome of that situation was that a woman got frightened and her car needed to go in for repair. Throw a gun or two into the equation and in all likelihood, the outcome would have been a fatality.... How is that a "pro?"

A bit of criminal damage and intimidation does not amount to something worth taking a human life for.... even a scumbag's like this.

I wasn't saying that it should be a pro, I was saying that it is exactly the kind of thing that gets called a pro.

Fair enough

I say shoot him then shoot the camera man

I agree. Those Bumfights guys need shooting.

How many of those that are locked up are repeat offenders? According to this study done, two thirds of all prisoners released are reincarcerated within 3 years. If we had done right and "rehabilitated" them they wouldn't be back on the streets. Leniency IS the problem. And according to what I've seen the dramatic rise in imprisoned people is because of drugs.



Who is to say he would have been killed? Maybe he would have been stopped long enough for the person to get out of there, or taken down and disarmed.



So do some criminal damage and intimidation on the crazy asshole. So what do we do with scumbags like this? We can't shoot them, we can't put them in our already overburdened prison system. He has rights so let's just let him be on that corner. According to his own words no one can get him off that corner anyway. And all the innocent people live in terror because of freaks like this.

This country (USA) fucks with blacks, if you're white you couldn't even grasp the amount of shit blacks deal with daily, however this is a man willing to terrorize some sap driving by just to make his point, that stirkes me as a person not far from killing someone.
I've said it before you advocate violence then you have to expect it will be coming back to you, no matter what happened to you.

Guns don't kill people.... the little pieces of metal fired from them do.... Reduce the amount of guns... make all gun ownership Illegal and surely that's bound to decrease gun crime and death by guns....



Would that include bread and water diet, electrodes to the nuts, ritual beatings... Probably one of the most severe prisons in the civilized world is the Bangkok Hilton Bangkok Hilton many of the inmates there are repeat offenders...

This post has been edited by bigbaldybloke: Jun 15 2009, 03:17 PM

Unfortunately, as far as conservatives are concerned, proper rehabilitation IS classed as leniency. A system which sends more of it's population to prison than any other OECD country is a system that doesn't have rehabilitation at its core... "Tough on criminals" is usually the phrase used by the advocates of such a draconian system, and rather high recidivism rates are a sure sign that that is the policy in place.

Like I said; leniency is not the problem


"Maybe" is the operative word in that sentence.... MAYBE she'd have shot him dead, and his homie with the camera would have pulled his Glock and shot her dead. MAYBE he'd have seen her pulling a gun and shot her dead first. MAYBE she'd have been so nervous that she missed him, and hit a child sitting in the car behind. MAYBE they all missed and a gunfight in the middle of a public place ensued.

If nobody had guns, he'd have caused a bit of damage to her car, she'd have been a little frightened for a while, and DEFINITELY nobody would have died over a petty crime.

It really is a no-brainer.


What the legal system do with people like this is another topic altogether.... Arming every f*cker is not the answer though.

So what IS "proper" rehabilitation?



WE can argue maybes all day and get nowhere. The question is, how can this be "petty?" Granted, no one was killed and I'm sure if she had the right insurance the care was repsired, however, thugs wielding drowbars on unsuspecting citizens is far from petty as far as I'm concerned.





I don't think every f*cker should be armed however I feel as a law abiding citizen it is my right to be able to protect my family and my property from anyone who threatens the safety thereof.

So do I. I just don't feel that I need a gun to do that. If guns were owned by a wide range of ppl here (in the UK) then maybe I would feel the need to have a gun to do so. On the other hand if guns weren't owned by so many ppl in the US you'd probably feel the same as me in that you wouldn't need a gun to protect your family etc too.

Well, that depends on your POV... What it ISN'T, is locking people up on the scale the US does, in brutal, gang-run penal institutions.


Absolutely. I agree.... which is why I said:

"If nobody had guns, DEFINITELY nobody would have died over a petty crime." (paraphrased).

Taking the gun out of the equation removes the "maybe" and definitively prevents a potentially lethal firearm related incident from developing.



Minor criminal damage and threatening behaviour, IS a petty offence.... Even if you consider it serious, it can no way be classed as serious enough for people to start bustin' caps in asses.


As rich said, so do I... Just not with a gun.

That difference in mentality is why the US has the gun-crime rates that it does, and why the UK doesn't.

It's also because the right to bear arms is enshrined in the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution and any political party that advocated a gun ban wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell at the polls.

gotta say, that crowbar video seemed fake, just happened to be a crowbar sitting there for the moron to use? I believe that "reality" internet shit about as much as the corporate news channels. Anyway, guns. Should be done away with, but for all. Not just citizens, no guns for cops either. Or military. Which obviously may be a problem. I just have a big issue with the state being armed to the teeth and me carrying a baseball bat. Someone said earlier in this thread that "guns are for cowards", I agree, cops, criminals, and army men. Take all their guns away I'd feel a lot better.

Assault with a weapon is a felony YMG, not a petty offense which would be a misdemeanor. (And that was assault)

I guess you could think it was all set up and fake deadprez, but who is going to pay for the damage to the car? Seems a bit much for a youtube video.

Sometimes people carry things they can use as a weapon, but also have a legit use, I knew someone that use to walk around with a hammer on his belt, and it wasn't for nails, I also know people that carry baseball bats in their cars and they don't play baseball.

ahh, might be real, might not, I really don't care. If its real whoever was in the car should have run over that douche. I'm all for carrying a weapon, or having weapons in your house or car. Anything can be a weapon, rocks, sticks, phones, keys, knives, whatever. Guns are just a different level because they turn any old loser into a "tough guy". Whereas with a bat, or even a knife, you need to be ready for some real violence.

2 posts till 1000

This post has been edited by deadprez: Jun 15 2009, 07:30 PM

Then cops would never get any sex......

This post has been edited by bigbaldybloke: Jun 15 2009, 07:50 PM

good, maybe stop them from procreating.

1 more till 1000...haha. 1000 posts of pure wisdom.

This post has been edited by deadprez: Jun 15 2009, 07:52 PM

I agree rich. The reason I have guns is because the criminals do. Faulty logic or not, I sleep better at night.



And as was mentioned elsewhere, it took a long time to change that mentality in the UK. Taking them from law abiding citizens while the criminals still have them isn't the answer IMHO.





Yeah.... wisdom..... right....

I decided long ago that when people discuss "America and Guns" I just no longer give a crap, arm them all and let them kill each other, they either don't care or don't get it, so us non Americans should just butt out.