Arrested, now on bail... guilty until I prove I'm innocent

Maybe it's just FACT's master plan. You spend all your money on lawyers and have no money left for hosting services.

Geeker,

I haven't read the thread all the way through but I understand that you was arrested and am on bail.

Not sure if you already know this but they can only bail you 3 times over a space of 6 months without charging you for anything, if they don't charge you after 6 months they have to drop all charges.

Anyways good luck with the case and I hope all goes well for you in the end.

Phil

thats good to know

It's not true though.

No it's not true but the length of time you can be kept in Police Custody is another matter:
Detention Limits and Police Extensions

The general rule is that you may not be kept in police detention for more than 24 hours without being charged. This period can be extended by a maximum of twelve hours on the authority of an officer of the rank of superintendent or above after giving opportunity for representations to be made. The extension can only be authorised where:

* The officer has reasonable grounds for believing that the offence is an arrestable offence.
* The investigation is being conducted diligently and expeditiously.
* Detention without charge is necessary to secure or preserve evidence of an offence for which you are under arrest or to obtain evidence by questioning.

T he authorisation cannot last beyond 36 hours from when the detention clock began.

Detention Limits and Magistrates' Extensions

You must be released by the end of 36 hours from the starting point, unless an application is made to a Magistrates' Court sitting in private. The application is made on oath by a police officer and supported by written information, which must state the nature of the offence; the general nature of the evidence for the arrest, what enquiries have been made and are proposed, and the reason for believing the continued detention is necessary.

You are entitled to a copy of the information and to be legally represented - you can have an adjournment to obtain legal representation. The police officer will be at court to be cross-examined and representations may be made to the magistrate(s). These might be directed, for example, towards any delay in the investigation or in making the application, whether there is a serious arrestable offence involved, whether detention is necessary, and whether there is sufficient evidence for you to be charged.

The court may only authorise further detention if:

* The offence is a serious arrestable offence.
* The investigation is being conducted diligently and expeditiously.
* Further detention is necessary to secure or preserve evidence relating to the offence or to obtain such evidence by questioning you.

T he court may authorise further detention for up to 36 hours from the time that the application is granted. A further extension of up to 36 hours may be granted if the same procedure is followed. The total maximum period of detention is 96 hours from the original starting point - except under the Terrorism Act 2000 where the maximum is currently seven days.

And I would suggest that any good solicitor would bring into question the definitions of diligently and expeditiously

damm was getting hopes up

You have been in my prayers. I hope to read good news here soon.

Hi everyone

Thank you all for your support and kind words over the past few weeks, I apologise for not replying to any messages or emails you've sent me in this time, I hope you will understand why I just went silent

I called my solicitor yesterday and again this afternoon to find out what was happening, this was the last conversation I had with the lady who is now dealing with my case:

Download Phone call to Linda Kershaw (Solicitor) ... or ... Listen to Phone call to Linda Kershaw.

Hmmm... not a lot I can do or say about anything at this point in time... I'll post in this thread as-and-when something happens.

Kind regards and many thanks to all
Geeker (Steve)

They haven't got a case so they're stringing you along within the outer most fringes of the law, hoping you'll either concede and give up or they'll think of something else to get you on. I would advise you avoid jaywalking or littering.

Now, if the attorney general has even a modicum of integrity, he'll slap the police who arrested you, and prosecute FACT for gross misconduct. Certainly your justice system should see clearly now that they've been used, abused and manipulated by corporate frauds. I predict the AG will throw out the case and be furious that it was even sent to him in the first place. No doubt he's got more important cases to review.

Wow this is really crazy.Nothing like stringing you along eh m8.
Like Pink suggests sounds like they don't really have a case and are really just stringing you along hoping you will cave in and give up.
Keep your chin up Steve.You have all our support m8
And F U to the Man.

LMAO what a pile of crap
Steve u know what the tosser are like here in the UK mate
Chin up mate, it's going to come to sod all mate

I may not be the smartest cookie in the jar, but wtf is going on Steve? I've listened twice to that call with Kershaw and I STILL don't understand the procedure or what 'they' want to do.

Did your bail hearing on Tuesday again get cancelled at the 11th hour and replaced with yet another one in months to come?

And what's this about your case being sent to the Attorney General's office?
Is that because your local Constabulary don't know what to do and need advice, or require a higher authority to proceed, and if so, why and what for?

Sorry Steve, but when your in the right frame of mind, can you spell things out for us numpties that now don't understand what's just happened. In fact, I'm not even sure what the charge(s) is against you.

I know it's easier said than done my friend, but don't let the bastards grind you down with these sneaky surprises and repeated extensions of bail.

Rob (the one with hugs to spare)


PS Got a new bail date? (I put it in my Calendar reminder thingummy)

I'm sorry I can't answer any of your questions, as I just don't know the answers myself... they're still keeping me in the dark so-to-speak

As usual, I've not been given any specific explanation or reasons as to what, why, where, or when etc ...other than them telling me that they need more time.

I did get a call informing me that my new bail date is now the 11th May at 3pm

Reading between the lines I think they've realised they've fucked up and are stringing things out to manufacture a case against you.... Hope for your sanity they sort it out sooner rather than later, at least if they listed charges you could build a defence....

Tuesday 11th is now duly entered in my Calendar Reminder Steve, thanks. You're probably sick of receiving lay-advice by now but may I exhibit my long-standing ability to put my foot right in it?

At risk of saying something stupid or encouraging you to do something we'll all regret, would you perhaps consider firing off a short letter to your lawyer listing the questions you currently have and asking they be answered in plain (idiot-proof) language. I know there must be several hundred firing around your head, but if you can possibly sieve out the ones you can live without meantime, and ask what's left you'll hopefully be in better place after they've been answered.

Meantime I've started a new account in your name at my local Hug-Bank where I'm putting aside the odd hug. Feel free to make a withdrawal any time it's needed my friend

Robin

The AGO (Attorney General's Office) are the legal advisers to the lawyers in the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service)... When the CPS are unsure on points of law, they seek advice from the AGO.

Not that the Attorney General is much use at the law... remember how she recently hired an illegal immigrant and used the excuse that she didn't understand the law on keeping of visa photocopies to prove due diligence, even though she wrote that particular law herself.

In other words, Steve, don't expect a sudden flash of genius from the AGO.

As expected ...re-bailed... yet again

this sure does drag a long time for ye hunny

Hey Steve,

It's more of the damned same init - delay and disrupt to lure you into some kind of emotional state of anger, fear of the unknown, disempowerment, etc. all designed to get you to undermine your confidence and to make a mistake of some sort they can use against you.

I guess the main thing to do is try to avoid making ANY assumptions. Do not presume anything whatsoever, and avoid all conclusions based on such thoughts where no solid facts or information exists. OMG, it's so difficult to do too, but in such circumstances we REALLY need to be as objective as possible and consider only what facts and info we are sure about. Speculation, worry, theorising, etc may adversely affect your health and MAY even lead to a mental instability that requires medical intervention. So the best way to stay strong during these difficult times of delay after delay and the inevitable frustration of the lengthening period of time your property is confiscated, is to remain focussed on the facts.

The GOOD NEWS I took out of your copy letter is that you'll at last be represented and advised by a law firm in person at whichever bail hearing eventually occurs.
And the other GOOD NEWS is that you suffer no financial penalty for it.

Finally (and to show how much I can contradict my own advice about sticking to reality and the facts), I noticed there's been one or two withdrawals from your account at the Hug-Bank. That's fine my friend, I'll keep sneaking them in there and you just use them up as and when needed.

Robin (the one with sneaky wee hugs)

Well they had me fooled. I really thought today would be the end of it all. Now it appears that your AG is as big an idiot as everyone else down the food chain, in your justice system, has been thus far.

You know, I'm the first to admit that the American justice system is gravely flawed but this proves the UK system to be a farcical joke to be mocked rather than respected. Geeks, if I were in your shoes, I'd seriously consider emigration. Now I know why my ancestors left!